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Книга "Песнь Льда и Пламени"

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The Fallen Angel написал(а):

Мееринский узел

Ургх, достали уже с этим узлом. Узел то, узел сё. Просто Дени вляпалась по собственной глупости, вот и весь узел :hobo:

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Ургх, достали уже с этим узлом. Узел то, узел сё. Просто Дени вляпалась по собственной глупости, вот и весь узел

Читаю черепашьими темпами, ибо не хватает времени и с компа читается в 3 раза медленнее, нежели с книги.

Отрывок из нового произведения Мартина, "Справочник по миру Песни Льда и Пламени"

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The History of Aegon's Conquest

The history begins by explaining that there is controversy about the beginning of Aegon's reign. The years before are slated as BC= Before Conquest and the ones after are AC= After Conquest. However, there is a 2 year span from when Aegon landed in Westeros at the Blackwater and when he was crowned in Oldtown by the High Septon. Debate continues as to when the new calendar should begin.

In Valyria, there were two great houses that contested for power. House Targaryen, however, was not considered a powerful house. Daenerys the Dreamer, the daughter of the head of House Targaryen, foresaw the Doom and convinced her father to leave Valyria. Her father, Aenar, took his family to Dragonstone along with 5 dragons. In Valyria, this was seen as weakness. The Doom happened 12 years after Aenar left for Dragonstone.

The Targaryens ruled Dragonstone for the next 100 years, which were called the Years of Blood.. 4 of the dragons died on Dragonstone leaving only Balerion. However two eggs hatched and Vhagar and Meraxes were born. "Gaimon" the Glorious ruled after Aenar and was followed by Maegon, Aerys, Ailex and Aerion. In 27 BC, Aegon the Conqueror was born. He later married both his sisters, Visenya and Rhaenys. This was considered unusual although there was precedent for it. The histories often said that Aegon had never stepped foot on Westeros before the Landing but there is evidence that he traveled to the south and may have even visited Lannisport.

Around that time there had been wars in the Riverlands and the Reach. The two most belligerent rulers were Black Harren, ruler of the Iron isles and Argilac the Arrogant. Harren was nearing completion of his vast castle and was said to be looking for more conquests. Argilac had grown afraid of Harren and so proposed an alliance with Aegon. It is believed he wanted to create a buffer zone between him and Harren. He offered the hand of his daughter in marriage as well as dowry lands. However, many of those lands were in fact in the possession of Harren the Black. Aegon refused and instead offered the hand of his best friend and bastard brother, Orys Baratheon. Argilac took this as a grave insult and had the hands of the envoy cut off. He sent them to Aegon with a message of "These are the only hands you will receive". Aegon called his banners and took counsel with them and his sisters. When they were done ravens flew to every ruler in the 7 Kingdoms. He informed them that "There will be only one king" and that those who bent the knee would keep their lands and titles. But those that did not he would destroy.

The size of the force that departed Dragonstone is belived to have been 3,000. Others believe it could have only a few hundred. They landed at the Blackwater, a place where a hundred kings of old had lain claim to. No kings ruled from there now, only a few petty lords lived nearby who were ruled by Harren and they loved him little. Aegon sent his sisters to nearby Rosby and Stokeworth and the castles surrendered without bloodshed. Darklyn of Duskendale and Mooton of Maidenpool did fight. Orys led the army while Aegon rode Balerion high in the sky. They won an easy victory.

Aegon's eldest sister was a warrior more comfortable in ringmail than in silk. She wielded a Valyrian steel sword called Dark Sister. She was described as having a harsh beauty and was reputed to have dabbled in sorcery. His younger sister Rhaenys was all that Visenya was not. Playful and curious, interested in music and poetry. However, she loved to ride her dragon Meraxes and spent twice as much time riding than her siblings. She surrounded herself with comely young men and there were whispers that she entertained men while Aegon was with Visenya. Yet Aegon spent ten nights with Rhaenys for every one with Visenya.

Aegon himself was seen as an enigma. He was a solitary person whose only friend was Orys. He was a great warrior who wielded a sword called Blackfire but only rode his dragon for battle or travel and never entered tourneys, He remained faithful to his sisters and left governance in their hands and only took command when necessary . While he was harsh with those who defied him, he was generous to those that bent the knee.

After the Landing, a wooden motte and bailey was built on one of the hills overlooking the Blackwater. He named Daemon Velaryon Master of Ships, Tristan Massey Master of Laws, and a Celtigar as Master of Coin (Thank you Boiled Leather for remembering that for me!). Orys Barathon he called "My shield, my stalwart, my strong right hand" and Orys became the first Hand of the King. Visenya would crown Aegon and Rhaenys hailed him as king. The lords and knights cheered him but the small folk cheered the loudest.

In the Seven Kingdoms, the kings raised their banners and made alliances. Dorne would offer an alliance to the Targaryens but only as equals. Little King Ronnel Arryn also offered an alliance. Aegon did not reply to either. All waited to see where the Targaryens would march. Daemon Veraryon would lead the fleet north and were met in battle by the Arryns. He would die in battle. (This portion was like a fog of war, so much info that it was hard to write it all down. I know I missed some). Orys Baratheon would be battered in battle. Aegon and Balerion burned Harren's sons in their longships and they would all die. Rebellions began to spring up. The Sistermen rebelled, followed by then by Riverlords. Edmyn Tully of Riverrun led his forces to Aegon and other greater houses followed: Mallisters, Brackens, Blackwoods, Freys among others. They all marched to Harrenhall and it was besieged. The walls were enormous and it was to have an unlimited supply of water and vast stores of provisions.

Aegon arrived and proposed a parley with Harren. Maesters were present and recorded the conversation.

Aegon:" Yield now and I will name you Lord of the Iron Isles. I have 8,000 men here"
Harren: "What are 8,000 men? I have walls!"
Aegon: "I have dragons."
Harren: "Stone will not burn"
Aegon: "At nightfall, your line will end"

Harren offered a vast reward to the man who slew the dragon. Aegon climbed onto Balerion and flew high into the sky. He descended with great speed and landed behind the walls. Balerion unleashed his fire. Stone may not burn but wood, thatch, and MEN did. Stone did crack, though, and the great towers soon looked like candles. Harren and his line did indeed end. Swords, blackened and bent were sent by cartloads to the Landing.

While Harren's men had rebelled, Argilac's men stayed loyal. He would vow that he would not die in his castle like a suckling pig with an apple in his mouth, but in battle. He led his army out into the field. Visenya scouted from the sky and informed Orys of Argilac's movements. As the armies drew close, a great storm came upon them. His men advised him to wait but he had the advantage of two to one and the rain was blowing into the faces of the Targaryens. Argilac advanced and began the Battle of the Last Storm. Argilac's knights charged but were slowed by the mud. They finally broke though but faced Visenya on Meraxes. The dragon was just as deadly on the ground as in the air. In the confusion, Argilac was thrown from his horse and found himself face to face with Orys Baratheon. Both took a wound but soon Argilac would get his wish and would die in battle. His death would signify the end of the battle.

At Storm's End, Argilac's daughter Argella would declared herself Storm Queen and defiantly barred the gates. However, her men were not so eager to die and presented her to Orys chained and naked. Orys treated her gently. He removed the chains and gave her his cloak as well as food and wine. He would take her House words and later marry her.

In the Vale, Queen Sharra Arryn plotted her next move, She was said to be beautiful and sent her portrait to Aegon with talks of marriage. Her only demand was that her son Ronnel would be named Aegon's heir. Aegon did not reply. King Torrhen Stark also called his banners.

King Meryn Gardener and King Lorren Lannister assembled a huge army of 55,000 and marched towards Aegon. The three dragons gathered at Stoney Sept. The allies had 5 times as many men as Aegon did, including many more lords and knights. Meryn Gardener commanded the most men so he demanded command of the vanguard. Jon Wooten Mooten of Maidenpool, the first lord to come over, was given command of the Targaryen army. The narrative comments more than once that the field was quite dry that day. The allies charged and started to break the Targaryen lines. The dragons took to the air and began to set the field aflame on all sides, especially downwind of the allies while Wooten was upwind. Of the allies, 4,000 died in the fire while 10,000 men suffered burns. Other thousands suffered wounds. Of the Targaryens less than 100 were lost while Visenya took an arrow to the shoulder. King Meryn of Highgarden and his sons died in the battle but King Lorren Lannister escaped. He was caught the next day and so bent the knee. Aegon kept his promise and raised Lorren up and named him Lord of Casterly Rock and Warden of the West. Aegon flew to Highgarden and the castle was surrended by Steward Harlen Tyrell. Aegon named him Lord of the Reach and Warden of the South. They began to journey to Oldtown when news came from the North.

Torrhen Stark had raised a large army and had crossed the Neck. Aegon marched with an army half half again the size. The Starks waited at Moat Cailin and took counsel. Torrhen's bastard brother, Brandon Snow, offered to sneak into the Targaryen camp and kill the three dragons. Instead, Torrhen sent three maesters to meet Aegon across the Trident. Torrhen would bend the knee and would be forever nown as "The King Who Knelt".

The siblings would split up with Visenya flying to the Vale. She would land in the Eyrie's inner courtyard. Queen Sharra would come out to find her son Ronnel with Visenya and he would ask her, "Mother, can I go fly with the lady?" Sharra would yield and Ronnel would get to fly with the lady twice.

Rhaneys would journey to Dorne but would find keep after keep empty except for women and children. When asked where the men went, the Dornish would just reply "away". She would finally journey to Sunspear and would only find the Princess of Dorne, Mirram Martell. She was 80, fat, blind, and almost bald. Argilac the Arrogant would call her the "Yellow Toad of Dorne". Mirram would tell Rhaenys that she would not fight nor kneel. She told her to leave and return at her peril. Rhaenys warned that if she left, she would return with fire and blood. Mirram answered with words of House Martell.

Aegon had gone to the greatest city in Westeros, Oldtown. There the High Septon resided. He prayed for seven days and was answered by the Crone. He was warned that if they fought, Oldtown would fall. The ruler of Oldtown, Banfred Hightower, was a cautious man. He listened to the High Septon and soon Oldtown yielded. In the Starry Sept, Aegon was annointed in oil and proclaimed Aegon, First of His Name, King of the First Men, the Andals, and the Rhoynar. Because the maesters were there at the coronation, this date is considered the correct date. Many thought that Aegon would choose Oldtown as his capitol or perhaps Dragonstone. He surprised them by choosing his small fort as his new capitol, King's Landing. And from there he would rule from an uncomfortable seat called the Iron Throne.
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Читая черепашьим темпом, я все же прочел 1 часть ТсД, и несколько глав 2 части) Впечатления положительные, однако ничего определенного, как ни странно, пока сказать не могу. Несколько покоробила тенденция к воскрешению персонажей - сперва Кейтилин, теперь Теон - как-то не по Мартиновски что ли.

Наши, кстати говоря, наконец сподобились произвести на свет официальный русский перевод первой части ТсД в книжном издании. Выглядит сие чудо вот такhttp://7kingdoms.ru/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/adwd-ru-00.jpg

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Выглядит сие чудо вот так

А ты его в магазинах видел?

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Irine Rain написал(а):

А ты его в магазинах видел?

Пока еще не бывал в книжном. Как буду рядом - обязательно загляну))

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Так-с, открываю обещанное обсуждение. Прежде чем начать свои рассуждения, предлагаю всем высказаться по поводу концовки ТсД. Что понравилось, что - нет, что запомнилось?

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Так-с... Читала сто лет назад. Смутно припоминается вот что:
-Тирион какой-то бесполезный. Где-то видела отзыв, что всю книгу он, пардон, "скитается, пьет и блюет". Очень верно. Но момент, когда они проплывали среди развалин и столкнулись с серой чумой, очень впечатлил и запомнился. Впрочем, тут заслуга скорее описания, атмосферы, чем Тириона :playful:
-Коннингтон (вроде так?) должен бы интриговать, но что-то особо не заинтересовал.
-Понравились сцены Серсеи, в частности, ее позорное шествие.
-Квентина жалко. Он мне нравился, но было сразу ясно, что у него нет ни шанса.
-Может ещё счас вспомню :rain:

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-Тирион какой-то бесполезный. Где-то видела отзыв, что всю книгу он, пардон, "скитается, пьет и блюет". Очень верно. Но момент, когда они проплывали среди развалин и столкнулись с серой чумой, очень впечатлил и запомнился. Впрочем, тут заслуга скорее описания, атмосферы, чем Тириона

Бесполезный в сравнении с предыдущими частями или вообще?
Ну, на счет того, что он скитается... а какой у него другой выход? В Гавань-Ланиспорт ему путь заказан, кроме как в Залив - податься некуда. Вот и остается блевать и пить, пардон.  :D

Irine Rain написал(а):

-Коннингтон (вроде так?) должен бы интриговать, но что-то особо не заинтересовал.

Я если честно вообще не уловил особой роли этого персонажа. В чем она?

Irine Rain написал(а):

-Понравились сцены Серсеи, в частности, ее позорное шествие.

Да, очень сильная сцена, +1. Вот, кстати, в связи с этим стало интересно - концовка как бы намекает на то, что Серсею вроде бы могут и казнить. Или мне это показалось?

Irine Rain написал(а):

-Квентина жалко. Он мне нравился, но было сразу ясно, что у него нет ни шанса.

Вот смысла этого персонажа я совершенно точно не понял. Приехал, получил отворот-поворот и помер. Какую роль он вообще сыграл? Выпустил драконов, только для этого вводили целую ветку?

Далее еще концовка линии Джона. Получается, Мартин решил от него избавиться? Хотя, после воскрешения Кейтлин и Бриенны я уже ничему не удивлюсь...

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Бесполезный в сравнении с предыдущими частями или вообще?

В сравнении. Он всегда был деятельным, хитрил чего-то, махинации проворачивал, города защищал...)) А тут резко деградировал. Понятно, конечно, что это логично с точки зрения сюжета, но меня немного расстроило.

The Fallen Angel написал(а):

Я если честно вообще не уловил особой роли этого персонажа. В чем она?

Типа наставник типа принца? Мол, только он как друг Рейегара мог хорошо воспитать этого парня. Теперь хочет вернуть какие-то земли. Не знаю :rain:  Может, с ним будет потом большая бодяга, кто-нить испугается, а кого-нить он, гляди, и заразит :x

The Fallen Angel написал(а):

Вот, кстати, в связи с этим стало интересно - концовка как бы намекает на то, что Серсею вроде бы могут и казнить. Или мне это показалось?

Я поняла так: собирались, но Киван хотел этого не допустить. Теперь, когда Кивана, похоже, убили, она может быть в опасности.

The Fallen Angel написал(а):

Вот смысла этого персонажа я совершенно точно не понял.

Я тоже не особо :rain:  Но она жалостливая.

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В сравнении. Он всегда был деятельным, хитрил чего-то, махинации проворачивал, города защищал...)) А тут резко деградировал. Понятно, конечно, что это логично с точки зрения сюжета, но меня немного расстроило.

Деградировал, вот, точнее и не скажешь. Хотя в плане сарказма он мне понравился в этой части куда больше, чем в предыдущих - второе дыхание видимо открылось в связи с разгрузкой по части дел. Вообще да, в этой части он другой получился - больше как-то в рассуждения и духовные терзания по своей первой любовнице ударился, нежели в хитрости и махинации, это да. Куда же, пардон, отправляются шлюхи?  :D

Irine Rain написал(а):

Типа наставник типа принца? Мол, только он как друг Рейегара мог хорошо воспитать этого парня. Теперь хочет вернуть какие-то земли. Не знаю :rain:  Может, с ним будет потом большая бодяга, кто-нить испугается, а кого-нить он, гляди, и заразит :x

Да, не иначе с ним потом должна быть какая-то бадяга. Хочется верить. что как Квентин он не закончит. А вообще Мартин как бы намекает в конце о том, что не все так просто там будет с этими Коннингтоном-Эйегоном по идее. Думаешь, Дейнерис с ним соединится?

Irine Rain написал(а):

Я поняла так: собирались, но Киван хотел этого не допустить. Теперь, когда Кивана, похоже, убили, она может быть в опасности.

Да, Кивана же по идее устранили, Джейме нет, поэтому и прикрыть Серсею будет некому. По идее получается что к власти должны прийти де факто Тиреллы. Кроме безвольного Томмена Ланнистеров как таковых в Гавани-то и не осталось.

Irine Rain написал(а):

Я тоже не особо :rain:  Но она жалостливая.

Не могу не согласиться. :yep:

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